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, december 19th. christmas is almost here. >> very respectful dialogue. the nra had a respectful statement. i think a lot of people showing respect on this. >> feel something may be be happening. >> feel some grown-ups, maybe. there are, of course, exceptions. >> there are a few. we have mike barnicle with us. you're not an exception. beautiful piece in "the daily news" today. we'll read that in must read. thank you very much. former treasury officials. mark ratner is with us as well. he has a must read. i'm serious. >> beautiful. >> also in washington, washington anchor for "bbc world news america" katty kay. >> no pieces, sorry. >> you'll write one next time. thank you. so we've got a lot to get to this morning. >> a lot to talk about today. >> those exceptions, what are you talking about? >> just in the conversation about everything you thought there were two exceptions. >> rick perry, governor of texas, and -- >> is it bob -- >> they said we need to -- we need to arm teachers. >> we have to think about it. >> somebody in the school with a gun. >> guns in school. that's great. you know wha
of the first nra supporter who is came out earlier this week and said that something needed to change. he is now saying i am not supporting a ban on anything. i am supporting a conversation on everything. he went on to say i can't say yes or no to any of these things. senator praised at the beginning of the week and at this point saying i am not supporting a ban on anything and said he was proud of the nra for offering to have a statement here on friday. is this what you talk about when you refer to the politics of gun control in this country. this gamesmanship as it seems? >> sure. gamesmanship is part of the political process. it teams to me that the senator is holding his cards close to his vest. he doesn't want to be in a position to say yes, he support this is or opposes that. there is no good reason for him to offer policy matters until vice president biden's commission delivered the report and we have a series of concrete proposals that are off to the congress shortly after they convene at the start of january. >> the senator said no hunter needs an assault rifle. the people said h
support is out there. 74% of nra members support criminal background checks. you know, that consensus is out there. we just have to make that felt in the halls of congress. >> but the important political consensus is of the organization the nra that can mobilize numbers of voters who will vote on that issue only. and the nra leadership has been the enablers of the mass murderers. and they've got to be called on it. they've got to be called on it by the president and the leaders of congress to confront the nra leadership, as bob said. nra members, they're okay with reasonable gun controls. the nra leadership has been fanatic and frankly functions as enablers to mass murder, and they've got to be stopped on that. >> and we just accept at face value some of the rhetoric that -- lindsey graham was on tv the other night saying, you know, in response to talking about sensible gun laws that no, i believe in the second amendment, i like to hunt. you know, that is not contrary to the sensible gun laws that anybody is advocating. you know, when you talk about something like criminal background
seen the assault weapons ban come and go. >> the nra's number one -- this myth that the nra can destroy political careers is just not true. >> it not a myth that after the assault weapons ban was passed, there was a huge political price for democrats to pay. and nearly 20 years later, they don't want to touch the issue. >> it is true that they lost a lot of seats then t cause and effect isn't quite so clear. and what happened then isn't what happens now. if 27 people killed, to children, if this isn't enough to change the mentality, the saipsyc psych ke of the american public. >> we have this assault rifle, the pistol, the semi-automatic pistols, the 9 millimeters, but we're also learning that these weapons were found and legally purchased by his mother, at her home. she lives in a rural area and had them for self-defense. >> i can't tell you if you stopped people who have psychiatric problems, who have criminal records who have substance abuse problems, who are minors, if you ever stopped any of them from guy buying a gun, that this particular event would not take place. this is just o
feinstein to fire back at the nra. >> there were two armed lauchl officers who twice engaged the shooters at columbine. that didn't prevent 15 from being killed and 23 wounded. >> joining me now, congressman, an accidental shooting left him confined to a wheelchair since he was 16 and congressman, you were with us last week and thanks for coming back. >> thank you, richard, for having me on the program. >> so you saw what lapierre said. what do you think about his plan itself and we'll put it aside for a second and what's the sentiment and the mood that he portrayed. what was your reaction to it? >> first of all, my thoughts and prayers are still with the families of newton connecticut who lost loved ones especially the children in that horrible, horrible attack. my heartbreaks for those families and what they're going through and they're in my thoughts and prayeris and know they're in the thoughts and prayers of people around the nation. with respect to the nra and the position that they have come out with, i have to say that i am personally, absolutely disgusted by the position of the n
top aides in the white house and said, we have to act within ten days before the nra gets organized. and they failed to do it. they tried and they failed. and lbj had a bill that had been bottled up in committee for months and months, for, you know, licensing and registration. and they signed something much, much less in october. and he spoke out, president johnson did, in october of 1968, forcefully and angrily, about the failure, even after robert kennedy's death, to do something to defeat the gun lobbyists. so while i have the spirit of the season and a feeling that things have changed and saw joe's powerful, joe, your powerful statement in the aftermath, in the immediate aftermath of the killings, i have my doubts as to whether this president and this congress have the guts and the strength and the political, i don't know, courage, to go forward. >> they have to move quickly, don't they, john heilemann? >> yeah, i think they do. and you know, you can't lose them. the sense of moral urgency that comes with proximity to this thing. and you know, right now, the nra is on its heels,
of the nra. it's the same line we've heard before from the nra, but has the country's relationship with guns fundamentally changed since newtown? and what we saw last night from house republicans is yet another symptom of the real problem for the gop. they don't believe in compromise. and they've lurched too far to the right. we begin with where things stand on the fiscal cliff, msnbc political analyst and msnbc contributor jared bernstein. jentle men, president obama tonight said he had spoken with speaker boehner in addition to senate majority leader harry reed. >> i just spoke to speaker boehner and i also met with senator reed. in the next few days, i've asked leaders of congress to work towards a package that prevents a tax hike on middle class americans, protects unemployment insurance for two million americans and lays the groundwork for further work on both growth and deficit reduction. >> jared, is this actually a setback for the president in so far as the embarrassed speaker with someone at least with whom he was dealing? and now, the president really doesn't have a negotiation par
before finally being shot dead by police. the shooting happened at the same time the nra held its press conference in washington, d.c. we'll have more on the nra in just a moment. right now i'm joined by tom kotz, kaley elkins, rich lucivella of "s.w.a.t." magazine, and jackie kellens. thank you for being here. they promised, quote, meaningful contributions to stop gun violence but in a press conference in which the organization took no questions, the executive vice president and ceo wayne lapier's only contribution was his call for armed guards inside all of the nation's schools. >> i call on congress today to act immediately to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every single school in this nation. and to do it now to make sure that blanket safety is in place when our kids return to school in january. >> for 30 minutes lapierre went on a tread that was steadfast, unyielded and trying to blame violence on the insane monster that is pop late our society. but it turned into a glimpse inside the mind of the man who makes the nra, the lobbying arm of the firea
a conservative republican who received the nra's highest ratings over four terms in congress. i saw this debate over guns as a powerful symbolic struggle between individual rights and government control. and you know what? in the years after waco and ruby ridge, the symbolism of that debate seemed even more powerful to me. but the symbols of that ideological struggle, they've been shattered by the harvest's own from violent, mind-numbing video games and gruesome hollywood movies that dangerously desensitize those who struggle with mental health challenges. and then add in military-styled weapons and high-capacity magazines to that equation, and tragedy can never be too far behind. you know, there's no easy ideological way forward. if it were only that simple as to blame hollywood or the nra or insufficient funding for mental health, then our task would be completed in no time. but i come to you this morning with a heavy heart and no easy answers. still, i've spent the past few days grasping for solutions and struggling for answers. while daring to question my own long-held belief on these subje
time i checked the election results, he won and won comfortably. this myth that the nra can destroy political careers is just not true. >> it's not a myth that after the assault weapons ban was passed, there was a huge political price for democrats to pay. and nearly 20 years later, they don't want to touch the issues. >> well, it is true that they lost a lot of seats then. the cause and effect isn't quite so clear. and what happened then isn't what happens now. if 27 people killed -- 20 children isn't enough to change the psyches and the desires of the american public -- >> let's talk about this, mr. mayor. here is the reality. let's look at the weapons that were recovered from the scene of the disaster. you have this bushmaster assault rifle. this would have been banned under the assault weapons ban. the pistols, the semi-automatic pistols, were recovered. the medical examiner said they were not used. this information could change. but also we are now learning that these weapons were found and legally purchased by his mother at her home. >> she was in a rural area. you have them f
, take note, sandy hook put a face on unlimited gun rights and an nra run amok. it's time to stop being afraid of the nra. time to stop changing the subject when guns are brought up. you, democratic politicians, can run on common sense gun restrictions, and you can win. for the first time in decades, there is now a political price to be paid for gun extremism, and i have got an idea for your first commercial. did you happen to see wayne lapierre on "meet the press"? that does it for us on "the cycle." karen finney is in the chair for martin bashir and it is all yours. >> thanks, krystal. good afternoon. i'm karen finney in for martin bashir on this thursday, december 27th. the president is back in washington, the senate is working against the clock, and speaker boehner, yeah, he's m.i.a. >> no new negotiations are scheduled. >> congress has five days to strike a deal before the end of the year deadline. >> they're calling it the fiscal cliff. [ speaking foreign language ] >> john boehner seems to care more about keeping his speakership than about keeping the nation on firm financial foo
, there is no -- there is no rule book. >> the nra breaking its silence. the powerful gun lobby will hold a major news conference to announce the actions it plans to take in the wake of the elementary school tragedy. the national rifle association breaking that silence for the first time yesterday saying it was prepared to make meaningful contributions to make sure this never happens again. the gun rights organization and gun rights advocates in congress both under public pressure to join the call for action. >> just wonder -- this long after a mass killing like that, little 6 and 7-year-olds, there is not a single republican in america, in elected office, not going to step up and say something? >> i think that says something in itself. >> i think it is time to talk, guys. one way or the other, where do you stand on this issue? >> joining me this morning is connecticut congressman joe courtney. good to have you here. the president is speaking in 45 minutes from now to announce this new interagency task force on gun control. he's not expected to announce any new specific gun regulation policy proposals, however,
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in the oval office. the nra responded shrugging off protesters today. the gun lobby's answer? more guns. armed guards in our schools. >> the only way to stop a monster from killing our kids is to be personally involved and invested in a plan of absolute protection. the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. >> and, finally, the nation says aloha to senator daniel inouye. >> he was a wise, a good man. the reason he could be courageous without being sanctimonious. the reason he could be so generous and old-fashionedly gallant without seeming pompous, the reason he could be friends across the aisle and find principled compromise without sacrificing principle is because that is who he was. this moving and personal tribute from president obama. >> and who taught so many of us, including a young boy growing up in hawaii that america every america has a place for everyone. may god bless daniel inouye, and may god grant us more souls like his. ♪ ♪ somewhere over the rainbow blue birds fly ♪ >> good day. i'm andrea mitchell live in washington where we are expecting t
. >> the gun debate heats up on capitol hill. the president comes out for an assault weapons ban. and the nra makes their first statement following the newtown massacre. tonight republican congressman jack kingston of georgia is here to define his party's message on assault weapons. and congresswoman carolyn mccarthy reacts to the president's statement. >>> social security is officially on the table in fiscal cliff negotiations. david cay johnston tells me if there is any way that makes any sense. >>> and senator bernie sanders on how progressives intend to fight. plus, bob shrum and joan walsh on plan b. >>> and a real scare in syria turns into a real happy ending. tonight we'll tell you how nbc's richard engel escaped from his kidnappers. >> i'm very happy that we're able this morning. >> thanks for watching. it may be a rare moment in gun history, but the nation is focused on gun control following the massacre in connecticut. the national rifle association finally broke its silence on the newtown shooting. a statement released today by the organization said, in part, the nra is prepared to
the nra is listening. >> you can call it whatever you want to call it. >> congress hasn't confirmed the director of the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms. >> dysfunctional, dysfunctional, dysfunctional congress. >> we're not going to allow what has happened in the past to go on. >> congress has just three business days to pass legislation to avoid going over the fiscal curb. president obama has cut his hawaii vacation short and is on his way back to washington. the democratic senate will be in session tomorrow but the republicans are staying home. the republican aides tell nbc news that the house will not be in for business tomorrow. they released the statement calling on the senate to act first. senate majority leader harry reid quickly responded with a statement of his own. how else republicans pushed middle class families closer to the cliff by wasting an entire week with their incompetent plan b stunt. it is time for house republicans to put middle class families first by passing the senate's bill to protect 98% of americans from a tax hike on january 1st. the senate bill
. >> the nra is going to be holding a news conference. >> there is going to be an announcement made. >> the nra is prepared to offer meaningful contributions. >> it is very hard to determine what they mean. >> teachers are not law enforcement. >> we have all the information. >> this is not some washington commission. >> we have all the studies. >> time is of the essence. >> we have to do something, the american people want us to do somethin something. >> it is hard out there, being a boehner. john boehner has gone from refusing to consider any tax rate increase. any tax rate increase at all to refusing to consider any tax rate increase without spending cuts attached to it. to now asking his members to pass a tax rate increase without any spending cuts attached to it. john boehner's plan b, which he wants to bring to a vote tomorrow, is simply a tax increase on incomes over a million dollars. nothing else. that is it. here was president obama's reaction today. >> if you look at what the speaker has proposed, he has conceded that income tax rates should go up. except right now he only wants to ha
violence are stronger than those who want to continue the nra policies of always trying to get more guns on the street as opposed >> and i think what we need now -- >> congresswoman maloney, i'm sorry. we are out of time. i want to thank the congresswoman and josh horowitz, both for being with us. >>> that's going to do it here live from connecticut. i'm chris jansing. nbc's coverage continues now. >>> good evening, american, and welcome to "the ed show" from new york. there are tragedies in life that shake our souls and break our hearts. today, the nation experienced one of those tragedies. every american will struggle to come to grip it's with what happened today in a small community in connecticut. sandy hook elementary school and the small community of about 27,000 residents was the site of a shooting rampage. at this hour, we know 26 people at the school were shot and killed by a lone gunman. 20 of those deceased were children. surviving students and their parents said teachers ordered children to hide in closets. witnesses reported hearing dozens of shots, as many as 100 rounds. po
vice president of the nra has now broken his silence. he says it's the good guys against the bad guys, and everyone should have a gun. i disagree. if you look today at the speech that we showed just earlier here on msnbc, it's the first time since the newtown mass murder that the nra has spoken out in a speech that brought out the protesters. >> see there? several protesters interrupting. the nra did not focus on regulating semiautomatic weapons in this address, an address i think can only be described as combative. wayne la pierre attacked the press, the game and movie industry, and unnamed politicians for basically getting this story wrong, and he issued a range of criticisms. he staked out his organization's solution to this problem. ultimately as more guns. >> the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. i call on congress today to act immediately to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every single school in this nation. >> there you have it. the nra called on congress to fund armed guards at every school in the nation and
do you engage the nra? do you try to bring them into the conversation? >> yeah. >> along with hollywood, along with the law enforcement, along with educatingers. do you try to have one of those types of conversations at first just to sort of see if there's any common ground here? and then where do you go? i think honestly they're still in the beginning stages of this and of trying to figure out. but i think that he seemed -- if he wants that speech to mean anything, he has to do something real. >> you know, climate change, we can argue all the time about whether it's manmade, but this is manmade, guns. this is a unique culture. i love so much about america. the freedom, the individualism, the cowboy attitude, but why is it legal to own a gun snt anybody can buy one, a semiautomatic, call it what you want. the bottom line is you can pull the trigger and the bullets keep pulling out. any imbecile can do it. society decided that was considered carrying a musket. that was just like a guy that took ten minutes to load up a musket. part of a militia. so a bunch of guys together
after robert kennedy was killed and said, we have ten days before the nra gets mobilized. we have ten days to accomplish the bill was sitting in the judiciary committee, the gun bans, from the time when john f. kennedy was killed. and now martin luther king jr. had been killed, robert kennedy was killed. he said, you've got ten days to mobilize. you've got to get this done. they did what they could and they came up with a much smaller bill which was signed regretfully by lbj in october. >> i don't have the historical perspective that andrea does, but i have covered all the -- >> you didn't cover that '68 bill? >> no, i missed it. but i have covered the four instances of mass gun violence under obama, and i have to say the scariest thing to me with respect to newtown was when i g-chatted my fellow editor in new york to plot out coverage, and we knew exactly what to do because we had done it three times before. it had gotten so routine and so disturbing to us and i'm worried i'll be writing the same story. >> we can't desensitize ourselves to this, though. >> listen, we're not going to.
balance that kind of conversation? the sort of nra crowd is saying this is just domestic violence, guns are unrelated. there are statistics out there saying guns make it more likely that it's going to turn deadly. how should that conversation sort of be balanced, do you think? >> i think you are absolutely right. when these things happen, it's too late. what i think is interesting is that the nras hold on the political conversation is actually breaking a little bit. the nra spent a lot of money in the last cycle. they went up against a lot of candidates, lost across the board. i'm hoping their control of the political conversation, i commend mayor bloomburg. he's investing a lot of money and trying to balance out the nra. he's had a lot of victory. it's an important effort. politics have become constrained and the ability to talk about it is constrained. there's a plug at the nra wheels. the less people fear that, politicians, political leaders, the more we engage in a conversation. maybe gun control wasn't the issue per se. background check or other issues. a broader conversation, does
of the nra ran this memorable a ad. >> as your senator, i'll protect your second amendment rights. i sued epa and i'll take dead aim at the cap and trade bill. >> on monday, manchin just one of among a handful of democrats who say when it comes to restrictions on guns, everything should be in the table. >> i don't know in my opinion in the sporting or hunting arena that goes out with an assault rifle. i don't know anybody that needs 30 rounds in a clip to go hunting. >> i've had an nra rating of an a. but, you know, enough is enough. my -- i've got -- i'm the father of three daughteres and this weekend, they all said, dad, you know, how can this go on? >> senator elect joe donnelley who was elected on a strong pro gun agenda, he said in an e-mail that, quote, all parties must come to the table to work on legislation. and democratic leader harry r d reid, a long standing supporter of guns himself, he went to the floor to say he is open to new legislation on guns. >> we need to accept the reality that we're not doing enough to protect our citizens. in the coming days and weeks, we'll engage in
's the one thing that would keep people safe. the nra would try to do that. there monsters out there every day and we need to do something to stop it. a gun is a tool. the problem is the criminal. >> that's the best, i guess, of nr a's ceo. after the press conference friday, he had another strike out on "meet the press." a house democrat is backing a package that pushes background checks on gun buyers and those on the terrorist watch list. from buying and owning guns. yeah. right now that is actually legal. in addition, the bill would require gun owners to report lost or stolen weapons and make it harder to carry permits. do you notice what's missing from the list? armed guards at the school. with matt miller, we will talk about all of this. matt, republican pollster was on cbs talking about wayne la pierre and i want to listen to the comments and get your take. >> i don't think the nra is listening. i don't think that they understand. most americans would protect the second amendment rights and yet agree with the idea that not every human being should own a gun. not every gun should be av
really makes him qualified for job. the nra calls biden, in fact, the most anti-gun vice president in history. what an honor. by picking biden, the president is sending a very strong message. the task force will not roll over to play indicate the nra. vice president biden will do the job. president obama knows it. he did not speak in generalities today. he laid out a very clear agenda. >> a majority of americans support banning the sale of military-style assault weapons. a majority of americans support banning the sale of high capacity ammunition clips. a majority of americans support laws requiring background checks before all gun purchases so that criminals can't take advantage of legal loopholes to buy a gun from somebody who won't take the responsibility of doing a background check at all. i urge the new congress to hold votes on these measures on a timely manner. >> the president wants congress to hold votes on a assault weapons ban, a ban on high-capacity magazines and background checks for all guns and owners in order to get rid of the current loopholes in the law. all of th
. and i'm not talking -- i'm a hunter. i've hunted. rifles, that's fine. if one person in this world, nra president, anybody, can tell me why we need assault weapons with 30 shots in the thing, if one person in the world -- this is our fault. this is my fault and your fault, your fault, all your faults. we don't get out and do something about this. i saw one guy from representative i was very proud of, somebody in his state had just come out and said that we need more guns. we don't need less. we need to give teachers guns so they can shoot people. yeah, that's really good thinking to do that. we can't get this thing done, i don't know what kind of country we have. >> and that's how he ended his press conference. that was syracuse head coach jim boeheim, speaking at the press conference that was called to celebrate his 900th career win in college basketball. yes, we have had a lot of mass shootings in this country. i'm not sure we have had one that has resonated quite so acutely in so many widely different areas of american life. further news today, believe it or not, out of hollywood. th
and i met some of the members who are members of the nra, or are supported by the nra came forth and said that hunters in their districts have said this isn't what hunters are about. we do need -- right away we could pass, right away today, this week, we could pass the ban on assault makigazinesmagazines. that means the attachment to a gun. it makes every gun that it's compatible with an assault weapon. in a larger sense, let's go down the path of banning the assault weapon. i think there's a better chance to do that now than ever. not that one child's life is more important than another person's life, but the volume, the impact of this, that every child can feel vulnerable. how do we say to children, sleep well at night, my dear. go to school in safety because you are protected. we don't really know that. >> mayor bloomberg, mike bloomberg, who has been such an advocate, was on "morning joe" today, and his frustration is also with the white house. there are things that could be done by executive action. let's watch. >> somebody said to me, well, it's a republican issue. let me t
. it's the one thing that would keep people safe. >> that's the nra ceo on "meet the press" yesterday doubling down on the call to arm our nation's schools and puts him at odds of most americans according to 49% saying it's more important to control gun ownership. 42% favor protecting 2nd amendment rights. i want to bring in shannon watts. as many people watched on friday, not only we saw the first reaction in the press briefing that wane lappeire and pressed and wayne is blaming everything but guns and opposed to any new gun regulation and wants to talk about the other possibilities of video games to hollywood to the media to actually arming schools. is this a point of a pr crisis for the nra, especially logically not to have guns in the discussion at all? >> well, unfortunately, i think they know exactly what they're doing. and at the end of the day what they're doing is trying to make a profit and arm everyone in the country and, you know, 80 million moms are not going to let 4 million members of the nra drive the discussion on this. you talk about waking a sleeping giant. i believ
, both with a-ratings with the nra. to ruth's point, chris, is there a chance that republicans could help to move them as well? >> well, i think so. i think we have seen that on the fiscal cliff issue. and the feeling here at the capitol, i've put the question to them and said, if gabby giffords, a congresswoman one of your own was almost fatally shot, and congress didn't react on gun control, what has to happen after this new event? this has changed the tenor. i was talking to a democratic leadership aide to made that point and also made the point when you have harry reid, if you remember in 2010, a tough re-election. the nra king just short of stopping him saying he was a friend of the second amendment. you have joe manchin and now mark warner. those are moderate democrats. they help bring republicans on board. maybe we would see movement. >> i want to bring in congressman yarmouth. >> good morning, chris. >> yesterday, you apologized for being silent on the issue for the last six years. what specifically do you think can get done now? or do you want to see now, reinstatement of the hig
. these are the kinds of laws that can't be changed because of the stranglehold not only the nra, now we've got the koch brothers fund funded program in the mix. last night michigan passed a law making it legal to carry a concealed weapon in a church, in a school, in a daycare center and they also abolished the local county boards that were in charge of supervising the permits that do go out. so we've got these well-funded lobbies, these well-funded efforts to keep politicians on a short leash when it comes to any kind of common sense gun control, and so it's going to take a lot of courage on the part of the president but not just the president, everyone in congress and not just democrats, the nation. >> karen, you've worked previously for the new york education department. give us your perspective on a school like this because, as i understand it, most schools are accessible until about 9:00 a.m., quarter past 9:00, and then the access is closed. yet this individual or indeed the school made the 911 call just after 9:30. >> i'm sure we'll learn more about there was some speculation that perhaps this in
's actually never had a confirmed director. the senate changed the law and nra lobbied to force the atf to become a senate confirmation, therefore guaranteeing it could never really be confirmed. nra has successfully been able to block that. it's always had acting directors. also the president called for a way to make it easier to access mental health services. and then, of course, you did talk about changing the country's culture when it comes to violence. but -- and by being so specific and calling out congress on the atf which the gun lobby has made every effort to weaken, the president steamed to suggest he was ready for a political fight. even his selection of vice president biden who himself shepherded the original assault weapons ban through the senate judiciary committee nearly two decades ago is significant. remember this exchange between biden and a gun rights advocate at a 2007 presidential primary debate. >> myself and other americans really want to know if our babies are safe. this is my baby. purchased in the 1994 gun ban. >> senator biden, are you going to be able to keep
by the nra. as i said yesterday, do you think the nra has power? just remember the number one priority was to defeat barack obama. last time i checked he will be inaugurated again. >> mayor bloomberg will be live on "morning joe" later this morning. two leading democrats who have earned high praise from the national rifle association are now rethinking their stance on guns. last night senator mark warner of virginia became the latest to call for action. >> i've been a long-time supporter of second amendment rights. you know, i believe every american has second amendment rights, and the ability to hunt and it's part of our culture. i had an nra rating of an "a." but, you know, enough is enough. my -- i've got -- i'm the father of three daughters. this weekend they all said, dad, how can this go on? and i, like i think most of us, realize that there are ways to get to rationale gun control. there won't be one perfect law that will stop a crazy person from doing evil things. but when we have close to 30,000, you know, killings a year from all types of gun violence, even if we save a few l
to pass a ban on assault weapons in 149. he also received an "f" rating from the nra. he acknowledged that gun legislation alone would not solve the problem. >> we know this is a complex issue that stirs deeply-held passions and political divides. as i said on sunday night, there's no law or set of laws that can prevent every senseless act of violence in our society. we're going to need to work on making access to mental health care at least as easy as access to a gun. we need to look more closely at a culture that all too often glorifies guns and violence. and any actions we must take must begin inside the home and inside our hearts. but the fact that this problem is complex can no longer be an excuse for doing nothing. >> later in that same press conference, president obama offered a sharp response when he was asked why his administration has mostly stayed away from the subject of gun control until now. >> this is not the first issue -- the first incident of horrific gun violence of your four years. where have you been? >> well, here's where i've been, jake. i've been president of t
fear to speak out -- not against the nra -- to speak out against survivalists. to speak out against people that want to buy assault weapon, to speak out against people -- i mean, great. if you really do -- if you believe that james madison wrote the bill of rights so people would have the ability to squeeze off that many rounds and have these extended magazine clips, if that's your america living it, that's your america. god bless you. good luck with that. if you really believe the federal government's coming, you're going to kick down your doors, what are you going to do? are you going to shoot that weapon up at the drone? lots of luck. it's not going to help you. but that's where they're positioning themselves. they don't speak out against the slaughter of 20 young children and doing anything about that because they're afraid they may offend sur vooifrlivivalists an rushing out going to walmart and buying assault weapons. they're not going to stand up to so many of these extreme forces. and mark halperin, it's killing them because, again, you look at the cnn poll. their branding's
people agree on this issue much more than our leaders in congress. i mean 74% of nra members and gun owners support having background checks for all gun sales. right now, only 40 -- sorry, 60% of gun sales take place with a background check. so we have huge disagreement there among gun owners, nongun owners, blue states, red states, we need to see that sort of agreement on capitol hill. the people are there, we need to follow the will of the people. >> i do think sometimes there's a tremendous chasm on how guns are viewed in places like chicago, new york and california, how they're viewed in versus how they're viewed in places like i'm from in south carolina, or in rural places like newtown, connecticut. >> i think it's true that there is some disagreement, but what i'm saying is there's also a lot of agreement and a lot of things that we can do which would save a lot of lives, because another thing that we have to do, a massacre like this, causes us all to confront the specter of gun violence that happens every day, often in shootings that don't make the national news. so we need to
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assault weapons. the reverend says he will organize a protest against nra and gun manufacturers in washington next month. meanwhile, public opinion remains mixed. a new "usa today"/gallup poll has, but when it comes to banning assault weapons, 51% are against it, numbers are relatively unchanged from a year ago. reverend al sharpton joins me in studio. great to see you. we have a copy of the paper, as we look at the efforts, what is the strategy to try to curb the gun violence, especially when you team up with commissioner kelly. people may say here's two big city slickers trying to take the guns out of our hands. >> first of all, commissioner kelly and i have agreed. we. so what we wanted to show on christmas day, he came out to the national action network feeds the homeless and seniors and we stood together and said despite or differences, we agree on banning assault weapons, and we agree that there must be gun control, hoping to use that as a model, saying that there must be bipartisan agreement about gun control in washington. if we can get unlikely people to stand together,
control. but as you know there is a very strong opposition to this. the nra, a lot of conservatives, in congress, who say that that's not the answer. we need to do a better job of enforcing the laws that are already on the books. president obama certainly making a pretty strong statement in his remarks yesterday and again in hi radio address today. >> switching gears now. a few moments ago we reported hillary clinton faint ad pew days ago. she is home now. expected to be okay. how will her illness affect the timing of the announcement of the next secretary of state? >> reporter: i don't know that it will have an impact on that announcement. what i can tell you, craig, is that just to put night context, secretary of state clinton recently to cancel an overseas trip because she got a stomach bug. because of that bug, according to officials at the state department, she became dehydrated several day ace go and did faint and did suffer a concussion. but she is at home and is resting and she is being monitored by doctors and she is expected to return to work sometime soon. >> nbc's kriste
by the nra? >> well, i would imagine that there are members who are trying to get a 100% score from the nra, which is then used to campaign, raise money against a person who does not have the 100%. but i -- i really think that the overwhelming majority of americans are sane and they are interested in seeing that this at lee is minimized. this kind of mindless act is minimized. but look, as painful for me it is to say there are individuals no in congress who may believe it is time to ban assault weapons but who might not want to do it because they don't want the barrage of nra money and opposition coming in their direction. >> glad you said that congressman clear. i want to thank you for your concerned and your time. >> good to be one. >> thank you. >>> next up, new information on the mother of the gunman and the cache of weapons she kept in their house. for those with visions of doing this... ...this... ...and this, dancing in their heads... ...we have these. home depot gift cards. give the gift of doing, in-store or online. military families face, we understand. at usaa, we know military l
a short-term deal under the tree? plus, the nra not backing off its so-called solution to school gun violence. >> if it's crazy to call for putting police and armed securing our school to protect our children, then call me crazy. >> that's the wrong debate to have if you want to talk about protecting our children. >> but, first, don't go looking up the chimney for a deal on the fiscal cliff. there are just eight days, that's it, until the deadline to reach a deal, and there was little progress as lawmakers left town for the holiday. before the president took off for his hawaiian vacation with his family on friday, he pressured kfshs to pass a smaller deal, to delay those automatic spending cuts and to extend tax cuts for all except for the wealthiest of americans. now, while senators on both sides of the aisle, they spoke in support of at least a smaller deal on sunday. joe lieberman seemed to have less hope. >> it's the first time that i feel that it's more likely that we will go over the cliff than not, and that if we allow that to happen, it will be the most colossal consequential
want to continue the nra policies of always trying to get more guns on the street as opposed to sensible gun regulation. >> congresswoman carolyn, i want to thank both of you for being with us. >>> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. tonight we have an hour to get on top of this horrific tragedy up in connecticut, to get our heads around it, to understand why this happened, how things like this do happen. of course take much longer. but let's get to it. we've got michelle franzen on the scene in newtown, connecticut, cliff van zandt, former fbi profiler and nbc oonlt. we've got psychologist jeff weiner and psychologist jeff gardere. nbc white house correspondent kristen welker, u.s. congresswoman carolyn mccarthy who entered politics after her husband was killed in a shooting on a suburban commuter train. larry johnson the president of the national association of school safety and law enforcement officials. and jamd baldwin, baltimore county police chief. first we go for an immediate update to my msnbc colleague michelle franzen. michelle, thank you for staying wi
, namely sony, call and say whatever i can do to help, i will help. i've had a member of the nra from the central valley of california call me and say i have an ar15, which is a sister weapon to this bushmaster, which your reporter said was common. i don't believe it's common at all. it's a weapon of war. it's designed for military use. it's a civilian version of the m-16. it's a killer weapon. you have no chance against that weapon, so i profoundly disagree that all of these weapons are so usual, and we intend to introduce a bill, and i intend one way or another, month matter how long it takes, to get that bill through. there's one thing i'm sure of. in the suicide bombancy of doing something that is sound, that is practicalable, that is workable, these incidents are not going to stop. i've watched them now since the texas belltower in 1967. >> mike bloomberg just said at a briefing at city hall in new york that if the president had acted after he said he was going to act after tucson, if something had happened, we would have saved thousands and thousands of lives, that so many peopl
first baptist church in pensacola, florida, that are lifetime members of the nra, who went out hunting across northwest florida and alabama and georgia and mississippi, from the time they were 9, 10. jon meacham, you were raised in a similar culture. although you were wearing white gloves during your formative years. i'm sorry. i was struck that the most passionate people that said what you always want to hear, thank you for saying what i wanted to say. thank you for putting into words. they were -- they were, my friends from first baptist church, they were hunters, they were people that said, i'm not going to have somebody -- i'm not going to have extremists take my right to keep and bear a arms, protect my family, and go hunting with my kids. >> i think that's the key word. gun owners who think this through realize that the second amendment culture has bone totally captured by extremists since before really, but i think the marker is when, in 1994, i think, the phrase, jack booted thugs, remember, was used about the atf and people like george h.w. bush and norman schwartzcof resigned
. because it is chirp, it makes it so hard to go back. we have shown that the nra is losing power fast. >> and jonathan, the president said in december, this will be in my state of the union address. i think we are likely to see somebody in the gallery who has been affected by this kind of murder. >> i think the momentum that joy is afraid is foeing to dissipate actually won't. he has given it more than a month to get them in order so that when he delivers the state of the union address. as you say with the power of paragraphs in that speech. the power of seeing the parents of one of the slain children or all of them there in the gallery, it would be very, very hard for that new congress to look at those family's faces and to vote no on something that would relieve the nation's pain. >> i think the nra has proved that it is not a guarantee that if they organized and spend against you that you are going to loose. >> thank you goemg for joining me tonight. >> thank you. >> the judge who sentenced the man who shot gabby giffords will do tonight's rewrite. >>> i'm going to be joined by a t
. he worked for the brady campaign. we called the nra hoping to get someone from that organization on tonight they said they're not commenting until more information is thoroughly known in this case. they're putting off any kind of comment. it's obvious. congresswoman, thank you four coming on. i any this must bring it all back. i thought it was great, i said we have to get carolyn mccarthy because her reason to be in public life, to take on the voter, to deal with the public was this issue of the horror that hit your husband. >> and it was. and, you know, it's not funny, but i mean yesterday in my office we sat down to plan what we were going to do for the next term, and i said, listen, i came here in to congress to reduce gun violence, and i said i want to make sure that we go full forward. we have to do something about it. you know, the president's words meant a lot to me today because his tone was different. we have to take this head on and i know that the white house had said earlier that this was not a time to talk about gun violence, and you know what? they're right. it shou
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for these years. people have been afraid of the leadership of the nra who really have to be characterized as enablers of mass murder and will continue to be so if they oppose reasonable restrictions on gun violence. you know, on friday, the same day as the tragedy that occurred in newtown, a maniac attacked an elementary school in china with a knife. he wounded 22 children but they all lived. they will all come home. the difference here is that the maniac had a gun and 26 people are dead. in china, he had a knife. 22 children were wounded but they're all going to be okay. it is our fault if we continue to let this insanity reign in this country. we know what to do about it. we have death by gun rates 15, 20 times more than any industrialized country. we know why. we have to stop this. >> ezra, there's a new "chicago trib" editorial out today by dick durbin talking about what will it take. what holds us back are political organizations that are well funded and continue to resist reasonable limitations. there is a parallel between the gridlock in washington and the erie silence in congress
and having no rules at all. >> vice president biden very liberal guy. can he be objective? >> the nra is an organization who has members that are mothers and fathers. >> i am not supporting a ban on anything. i'm supporting a conversation on everything. >> all the gun laws in the world are not going to prevent people who really want to get a gun from getting one. >> where he have you been? >> where have you been? >> i have been president of the united states. >> going from communion to playing war games. >> peel off the partisan war paint. >> 1100 guns turned into the police buy back after the newtown shooting. >> you can ban whatever you want, he will find something else to get. >> any actions must begin inside the home and inside our hearts. >> we don't deal with mental illness properly. there's loads of violence in video games. >> if somebody else was able to point a gun right back at him, he stops. >> it is putting people in a pickle. if you had somebody there with a gun, they might be able to deal with it right there. >> all you got to do is arm all your passengers. >> don't wear
been associated with the nra and indicated their new openness to gun laws have not been the house republicans who would have to vote on a measure. i think it continues to be a very tough task in washington to get federal legislation through the house, that the president could sign on, and not impossible, but i just don't see the kind of movement and outrage that we have seen elsewhere reflected in that important body. now, we do have the nra having a press conference on friday, promising to propose measures. that could be very significant, if they did something, some significant movement that might encourage republican legislators to move on this as well. i think it is a tough battle and that's one reason the white house has been pretty gingerly -- moved gingerly in laying out exactly what it is the president is willing to do. >> lynn, as you know, jay carney said yesterday the president would actively support dianne feinstein's deal to ban assault weapons. he also used the phrase 16 times. how do you balance issues like this? you have the fiscal cliff, you have the new cabinet, t
around money. that really is mind boggling. thank you. up next, the nra's response to gun violence? what else, more guns. the new battle over gun violence with chris matthews. you're watching "hardball" the place for politics. >> welcome back to hardball. the tragic school shooting has put renewed focus not just on the guns, but on school safety itself. >> i call on congress today to act immediately to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every single school in this nation. and to do it now. >> but here's what it looks like when you run the numbers. slate magazine took a look at what a program to put armed guards in every school might cost. there's nearly a hundred thousand public schools and the average police officer makes about $55,000 a year. so a lowball estimate would be about 5.4 billion a year. what can we really do to keep our children safe from guns? good question. joining me now expert, michael nutter of philadelphia and eugene robinson. mayor nutter, thank you so much for joining me. you're on the front line every time there's a homicide in philad
rifle. i don't know anyone that needs 30 rounds in a clip to go hunting. >> i had an nra rating of "a." you know, enough is enough. i'm the father of three daughters, this weekend, they all said, dad, you know, how can this go on? >> the republicans are going to have to figure out. i mean, do they wapnt to be the party and this is what it's going to boil down to. this is the world they live in. do they want to be seen two years from now, four years from now, as the party of glocks. >> today, in "daily news." 9 title of "blood on your hands." when you hear joe manchin and joe scarborough talking about the party of glocks. are you worried, we need to bring up violent video games and hollywood as well. is the reinterpretation, the modern day and that people have access to assault weapons? >> you know what is also disturbing, thomas, people s, d republicans -- here we have a town that was controlled in by democrats, the white house for two years. and nothing took place. for the partisans in our country to already start injecting politics in here, that saddens me further. now, we have to
a correction to make, earlier in the show when i said if you ask nra members that they believe if people have to pass a background check in this country before buying a firearm, i said 57% of members said yes to it. it is actually 74% of members who want a background check that want -- 74, not 57, sorry about that, we switched up our slides on that. here on nbc, our continuing coverage of the mass shooting, this massacre at sandy hook elementary school will continue now into the night. live from newtown, with chris jansing, please stay with us. >> reporter: 28 people dead in the nation's latest shooting massacre, but this time, the horror is at an elementary school. this is msnbc's live coverage of the shooting in newtown, connecticut. the first call for help came just after 9:30. >> the school shooting at an elementary school in fairfield county, connecticut. >> reporter: it is a small town, holiday lights are up everywhere. >> a young man wearing black. >> he entered the school, he was wearing all black. >> armed with at least two weapons, carrying two handguns and hundreds of rounds of amm
a b plus or an a rating from the nra. he told "the philadelphia enquirer" he will come back for -- coming out for a new assault weapons ban and legislation banning high round magazines. he said his decision amounted to being summoned by your conscience. he said his wife had pressed him years ago joe clark, a great liberal senator, on this issue. first guy i ever voted for actually. now it's back. i know the people on the gun side of the argument, i know them closely. they will be out there vigilantly looking for any traitor they find, anybody who dares to vote for any kind of restriction, and any restrictions ends your virginity. you are the enemy. your thoughts? >> well, it's great that bob casey has come out for these things, but if all that happens at the end of the day is that we have a ban on a certain type of weapon or a certain type of magazine with a certain type of capacity, 100 bullets, let's say, we'll have failed here. you know, it's not just about the guns. it's how people get guns. what people have to do in order to get guns. we should be treating these more li
of the nra and certainly law enforcement on these issues in the past. the famous exchange during the debate in '08 and '07 on these issues so he's got credibility, and i think the president is setting up his game plan pretty smartly at this point. right now the country is in a mood to do something, and i think that republicans have to recognize that, number one and number two, that right now again, the president is in a political position where he's got more cards to play than republicans necessarily do, so i think there has to be a willingness to first see what the president puts on the table and try to meet him on that point and the nra is the first e effort to hear what they have to say on this, and they'll have a measured and a more com pro hencive approach to addressing this issue. >> what do you think the chances are of that happening, governor and the chances that we've seen some pro-gun democrats stepping up to the plate, but republicans are a much tougher sell. >> think you're right with the question you posed to michael and michael is correct. >> law enforcement is key. joe biden
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. >> a 25-year-old veteran might not have seen what was going on that day. tomorrow the nra will give its first news conference since the sandy hook tragedy and yesterday president obama made this personal plea at a powerful gun lobby group announcing his new task force to curb gun violence. >> the nra is an organization who has members that are mothers and fathers, and i would expect that they've been impacted by this, as well and hopefully they'll do some self-reflection. >> last night the host of the nra news webcast responded to the president. >> when you look at the president he mentioned he's going to tackle this on all fronts, but the majority of his press conference today was about guns. >> you can ban whatever you want. he'll find something else to get. if he can't get his hands on that, he'll find something else. >> joining me now arizona congressman ron barber and he was with gabi giffords when she was wounded in the tucson shootings last year. i appreciate it. >> i think in the become ground there's some carolling going there. some background music for this interview. the pres
. pete, the nra not budging on its message from the press briefing that it gave on friday to the appearance on "meet the press" yesterday. their point is that the best issue for the gun control problem is not more regulation, but to have armed officers, trained armed people manning our schools. if past is prologue, where is the nra's next move going forward? >> well, you know, i think that's a good question because past may not be prologue here. the past was that the obama administration saw absolutely no chance of getting this flew congress. president obama when he campaigned for his first term, said he would like to look at reveezing the assault weapons ban. the white house sent some gentle signal early on they might try to do that, and it was instantly clear that they backed away from it. the mere prospect of president obama's being elected caused a huge run on ammunition, police departments were almost running out of it. now many democrats think the situation is different because of newtown and the other mass shootings this year, so i guess we're going to find out whet
shooting on a commuter train. by the way, we called the nra, the national rifle association hoping to get someone from that organization on tonight. they said they're not commenting until more information is thoroughly known in this case. congresswoman, thank you so much for coming on. i know this brings it all back, but i thought it was great. i said we've got to get carolyn mccarthy because her reason to be in public life, to take on the voters to deal with the public life was this issue of the horror that hit your husband. >> and it was. you know, it's not funny, but, yesterday, in my office, we sat down to plan what we were going to do for the next term. and i said, listen, i came here to congress to reduce gun violence. we have to do something about it. the president's words meant a lot to me today because his tone was different. we have to take this head on. and i know that the white house had said earlier that this was not a time to talk about gun violence. you know what? they're right. it should have been years ago so that hopefully we wouldn't have had to go through this. there a
the press," david gregory asked the nra's chief spokesman, why not bring back the ten-year ban that expired in 2004. >> i don't believe that's going to make one difference. there are so many different ways to evade that. you had that for ten years when goin feinstein passed that in '94. columbine occurred right in the middle of it. it didn't make any difference. >> the prospect of a ban on macks or assault weapons had people in atlanta standing in line for more than an hour at a gun show. customers at this shooting ranging in arizona say those weapons are widely used by sports cnn guys that shoot clays, guys that shoot trophy animals, a lot of them are done with semi-automatics. >> a group representing mothers says it will fight hard for a ban. >> 80 million moms are not going to let the 4 million members of the nra drive the discussion on this. >> both sides are prepared for the biggest battle over gun control in 20 years. pete williams, nbc news, washington. >> what is open today if you need to get out of the house? and an epic fail on one of the biggest movie batching weeks of the year.
in terms of the government taking your guns. we need to remember that one of the biggest members of the nra are gun manufacturers, who benefits from the sales of guns? the gun manufacturers, the nra is a huge -- they are ones that are stoking the fear of guns being taken away. they get a dollar of a sale of a gun or a package of ammunition at many stores. so they benefit by having this weird relationship where they are stoking the fear that the government is taking the guns away. and gun manufacturers benefit financially and so does the nra, i do not think we should forget about that. >> that is a point worth making. colin, a question, are you a nra member? not to put on the spot. >> i am, i'm a lifetime member. >> do you have high capacity clips? >> i do not. do you see the need to restrict those? >> it's on the edge of what is supposed to be allowed. this is relatively close to it. there's reaches that i think a lot of people are going to talk about. it's possible that a high capacity magazine restriction could be done in a way that is constitutional, and i'm not sure that frankly it's go
early in the next congress, a few legislative successes. >> but the nra will be fighting strong. do you think they are power and influences over estimated as mayor michael bloomberg said? >> no, it wasn't. i think at the time, mayor bloomberg, a few years ago -- you know, i'm a little puzzled by mr. bloomberg pointing fingers at everyone else. the assault weapons ban expired in 2004, which was the result of the republican congress. that was around the time that mike bloomberg was giving money to republicans. i don't remember him telling tom delay that he wouldn't contribute to delay's organization at that time. newtown has changed things. what it has done is given those people who agree with us that we should regulate guns more motivation. they're more likely now to vote that way. so two years ago, yeah, the nra was very powerful. and it could defeat some people. but the newtown mass murder that the -- the unspeakable horror of that, has changed the equation. >> it is so e gree jous, when you look at florida and ohio, ex-felons never allowed to vote again in their life. but after five y
thanks for being with us. i want to start with this. your reaction to the nra and you heard of lapierre's statement to the nra. what's your thought on the plan put out there to put guns in schools. >> first, richard, thank you for having me. my reaction to the statement yesterday is that i'm disappointed, but not surprised, candidly, and i think we have to stay very focused here and not be put off by the kind of distraction that was put forth yesterday. we certainly need to have concrete plans to make sure our schools are safe, but the notion of adding more guns as a solution is wrong minded and we shouldn't be distracted by the comments yesterday. this is what i believe they were. >> how practical is the idea put forth? the department of labor saying that the average salary for a police officer is about $55,000. there's about 100,000 public schools across the country and it would mean $5 billion if the plan were to be carried out. >> i don't think there's anything more precious than our kids so we do need to make sure that we change and have plans to address school safety, but i don't
74% of nra members, in a frank month's poll, chris, said that they support the concept that no one can buy a gun without a background check. >> when you talk like this, they don't challenge it as much. they immediately go somewhere else and say how about trying some other approach? >> if people were armed, not just a police officer, but other school officials that were trained and chose to have a weapon, certainly there would have been an opportunity to stop aggressors coming into the schools. if a person like that was armed and trained, could they have stopped the carnage in the classroom? perhaps. >> okay. you know what a .38 special is. a retired cop or something walking around. that's what they're talking about. a school teacher doesn't know how to use a gun. pulls out your cap gun, revolver, and you're up against an ak-47. what are they talking about here? or are they saying school teachers should have ak-47s? >> could you imagine even if the governor were only talking about security guards, school security guards. could you imagine at an elementary school what his gun belt wo
want this. the other thing that is i think, important, is that people talk about the power of the nra. but when you look at the election results that happened this november, the nra had a terrible season. i mean, my home state of virginia they really spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to knock off tim kaine, who is a big supporter of gun laws. they were not able to do that. they went after tammy baldwin, and of course they went after the president. everybody believes we should have reasonable gun laws. what is standing in the way is the nra leadership. we need to push them aside. it is not difficult. the nra is a paper tiger. it is time to get this done, the time is now, the day's events just showed what must happen in this country. >> congresswoman, we have talked over the last several months about how there have been shifts on so many issues, many of them social issues, for example, gay marriage. that it does seem as if legislation is sort of catching up with public opinion, is that what is happening here? and is there a way to push it forward from your perspective? >> well, i h
is the nra to deal with on these issues? i mean, talk about the power that the nra wields. >> look, i think actually the nra's power is more perceived than real, alex. when i heard the news yesterday and like jimmy, i grew up with a rifle. i grew up in pennsylvania. we went hunting. we never had handguns around but we had a rifle in the house. and we used it for hunting. that was it. but i think a lot of us who were in the hunting community have much more tolerance for stricter regulation of the handguns and especially certain kinds of handguns than most people per sooechlt and i think you see that in the polling. when i heard the news yesterday as a father of two children who i send out to public school here in washington, d.c. every day, a city that has outlawed guns but still has a very high crime rate, and the husband of a public schoolteacher, i just wanted to see my wife and two kids as quickly as possible and hug them and know that they're okay. like all other parents, i think, in the country, including the president felt when we heard the news yesterday. >> well, i can echo that. i
>>> this morning on "first look", the head of the nra fires back at critics explaining why he wants to address gun violence in schools with more guns. >>> retailers prepare for the last holiday hooray as time ticks away for procrastinating shoppers. >>> plus, a u.s. senator arrested on dui charges. the world's most expensive christmas dinner. >>> and "the hobbit" holds on. >>> very good morning to you. i'm veronica de la cruz. days after the national rifle association's first public comment since the massacre, they're criticizing him for wanting to put armed guards in school. he's sticking to his guns. congress can't do anything about it until next month nbc danielle leigh joins us from washington. good morning. >> reporter: veronica, good morning. as that gun debate heats up, we are also approaching the fiscal cliff. we're talking about uncertainty now on two issues close to american's hearts and across the country people are responding. some spending less this holiday this season as the fiscal cliff nears and others buying guns as that intensifies. fresh off a demand for armed gua
diving into the new year. trying to get back to normal for sandy hook students. the nra won't back down on its gun stance. the royal couple missing christmas with the queen. santa tracker gets competition. details on all those stories throughout the hour. but first -- new today, after refusing to let anyone ask him anything during a public statement friday, the ceo of nra is facing challenging questions today. this is from "meet the press." >> there is no new gun regulation -- >> this is what would work. >> if every -- >> i'm asking you a direct question. is there any new gun regulation you'd be willing to support? >> i'm giving you the answer. >> you're saying you should prosecute more criminals. >> i'm asking you if there's a new gun regulation after the debates of the '90s and so forth today, could we make the assault weapons ban better, any more effective? >> you want one more law on top of 20,000 laws. most of the federal gun laws we don't even adhere to. >> the other big story in washington, nine days until the fiscal cliff and no deal in sight with the president and congress home
't know how you can shuffle around money. that really is mind boggling. thank you. up next, the nra's response to gun violence? what else, more guns. the new battle over gun violence with chris matthews. you're watching "hardball" the place for politics. [ mother ] you can't leave the table till you finish your vegetables. [ clock ticking ] [ male announcer ] there's a better way... v8 v-fusion. vegetable nutrition they need, fruit taste they love. could've had a v8. or...try kids boxes! i just finished a bowl of your new light chicken pot pie soup and it's so rich and creamy... is it really 100 calories? let me put you on webcan... ...lean roasted chicken... and a creamy broth mmm i can still see you. [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. >>> i'm melissa rebergir. dragging down wall street like a steel anchor. the nasdaq shed 26. police have charged a 26-year-old woman with buying guns for the ex-con who's acc e accused of luring in and shooting new york firefighters. and a strike that would have crippled business has been overted for now. both sides agree to a
during the 2009 school year. the nra's answer to newtown is to simply arm more teachers. >> i wish to god she had had an m-4 in her office locked up so when she heard gunfire she pulls it out and she didn't have to lunge heroically with nothing in her hands but she takes him out, takes his head off before he can kill those precious kids. >> this is the m-4 louie gohmert was just talking about. this is what he wants your child's teacher to carry around. he wants the principal to have this gun handy in the hallways. it's only been 13 days since the massacre at sandy hook elementary school. we've already started arming more teachers just like the nra wanted. >> we can't tolerate this anymore. these tragedies must end. and to end them we must change. >> what kind of change do we want? real change means arming teachers with more resources, not guns. let's turn to route con niff, editor for progressive magazine. will arming teachers make our kids safer really? >> yeah, i mean, you've got to wonder, have we lost our minds? you know, i understand why individual teachers, just like individuals any
representative ron paul of texas distanced himself on monday from the nra proposal to put more armed guards in our nation's schools and paul said on his website it's another kind of violence. how do you think this conversation can be had logically in the new year if that's the only option that the nra wants to put on the table as a meaningful solution? >> well, i think that tragedy we just heard about in new york is further evidence of the fact that criminals and mad men do pay attention to the gun laws. that man was not supposed to have access to guns yet he did. in response to your conversation you had with my friend jack kingston, we should not be complacent to go to schools to be assassinated ed but the fac we need to protect our children and guns in schools should be decided at the local level but the mad men and criminals, no amount of gun control and restricting access and tightening the gun laws will stop a criminal from doing what he intends to do but putting an armed guard in the school, local schools feel that's the thing to do, we need to protect our children and one way to do
's received a b plus or an a rating from the nra. he told "the philadelphia enquirer" he will come back for -- coming out for a new assault weapons ban and legislation banning high round magazines. he said his decision amounted to being summoned by your conscience. he said his wife had pressed him to rethink his position on gun safety in the wake of newtown. he said the power of the weapon, the number of bullets that hit each child, that was so, to me, just so chilling, it haunts me. it should haunt every public official. if those two bills come before the senate, i will vote for both. that's a risky, strong position by bob casey. >> he's not the only one. joe manchin, the senator from west virginia, on monday was saying this has changed his thinking. of course, these are two democrats -- >> but manchin hasn't said he will vote for these two bills. bobby casey said he will. it's different to have conversations, another to make a commitment. >> i think there will be more and more lawmakers who will follow what casey has done. i don't think he's the only one, and i think we'll start seein
and we think that responsible gun owners are criminals. we'll come for your guns. >> the nra fearmongering against obama. >> sure. we don't have to give them an easy out. by invading people's privacy. we are stoking fear in this instance. >> we are not stoking fear. the nra does that. they're whole jb. >> s.e. over here trying to say something. i agree with steve and toure. >> no, no. >> whoa! >> get her on the line. >> didn't see it coming. >> you are outvoted. >> sorry. >> i don't think she'll ever take a day off again. >>> up next, best selling author of "the black swan" is here to teach us all how to be anti-fragile. when you have diabetes... your doctor will say get smart about your weight. that's why there's glucerna hunger smart shakes. they have carb steady, with carbs that digest slowly to help minimize blood sugar spikes. [ male announcer ] glucerna hunger smart. a smart way to help manage hunger and diabetes. they don't help single moms. hi! hi! [ sarah ] what happened to our house last year? [ daughters ] it flooded and the water flooded out. yeah. [ sarah ] the r
a rating of "a" with the nra. >> everything has to be on the table and i think it will be. when you look at it, if dianne is saying assault weapons, i don't know anyone in the sporting or hunting arena that goes out with an assault rifle. i don't know anybody that needs 30 rounds in a clip to go hunting. >> does that sound to you like the beginning of some sort of change? because david gregory said that they reached out to all 31 pro-gun senators, none of them would come on the program. what chance does some kind of bill have? >> well, i think both the president's signal that he would do everything in his power was pretty striking and also the fact that you heard very little until today from the gun rights lobby signals both that this is going to be a political fight but it may not be as big of a political fight as it was or would have been after some of these others. i think the fact that innocent children were involved, were the victims here, really may have opened the nation's eyes to the need for some kind of stricter controls on, you know, on like the assault weapons ban. but what y
children being killed. >> we have to make that coalition. we have polled gun owners and nra members and found broad support on things like background checks on all gun sales. the american people who are watching and believe that we deserve better than this and deserve a nation that is better and safer, join us at we are better than this.org. you have to keep talking and engage in the process otherwise, we will have the same conversation the next time a mass shooting happens. we can no longer keep repeating it over and over and the same c conversations, because we have to move forward with that and we have to do it together. >> collin, you were shot in 2007, and the tact that we are here in 2012, does it feel like we have failed you? your fellow survivors and those who did not survive that massacre? >> that is a tough question. i feel good about what i am doing today and the the people i am connecting with with, and the progress in capitol hill and ledgislatures across the kun tc. it has been an overwhelming experience, but it is one that is very rewarding. we are trying to take the
is already gearing up for a fight. fox news reports that the nra is expected to push back soon. they'll hold a news conference on friday. and republican governors still aren't convinced that guns are the problem. governor jan brewer says quote, i'm not sure additional gun control is something that needs to be addressed. i don't know how we get our arms around it. don't know how to get your arms around it? how about disarming those who shouldn't have weapons? and virginia governor bob mcdonald seems to think there are many solutions to be pursued. but gun control. >> could you imagine ever supporting a ban to limit the sale of assault rifles and clips to private citizens? >> well, i think we ought to look at a number of things -- >> are you hoping? >> i don't think that's the first place you look. because first of all we don't have all the facts. >> we don't have all the facts. but we have the facts that matter. 27 people are dead. and we should do everything we can to prevent it from happening again. joining me now is congresswoman diana degette, democrat from colorado. and former pennsylvan
. and there's not been out rage. elected officials in congress because we've been duped by an nra who has continued to fear us. guns make money. they are making money off the lives of black and brown children. >> congressman elect jeffreys, you've been appointed to the judiciary committee. and one of the things night before last action network and i went to connecticut because we must reach out and not go and finger point one community is more important than another. we all are in trouble. how do we get the congress to move in the light of this situation that has just happened in connecticut that has been happening in chicago, been happening in new york, as you've worked with us, you remember now, been happening all over this country. how do we get them to move now and not let the holidays take this off of the minds of the american public and therefore, your klicolleagues escape throu the stroke of distraction. >> there's an epidemic of gun violence all across america. it's been increasingly prevalent in suburban communities. it's something that we in the inner city in brooklyn and harlem
and the big majority of nra members in favor of at least starter reforms to our gun laws, the biggest barrier to reforming our laws now may just be the pervasive common wisdom that it's not even worth it to try. modern history defies that common wisdom. but it persists. it persists, maybe. now, the last time we talked on the show about the long, long and long lost modern history and bipart san gun reforms was in the wake of the tucson shooting this past weekend. and in the wake of that shooting, the tucson shooting, this was the general assessment. gun control dead. a nonstarter. shootings unlikely to change laws. don't expect any changes. that was our random survey of the headlines last january after the tucson shootings. at least if you asked the beltway shooting gods. now it seems like the common wisdom may be less certain. look at the headlines now. and it's more like this. debate on gun control is revived. lawmakers call for tougher gun laws in wake of new town massacre. gun control debate simmers after sandy hook massacre. nobody is saying it's going to be easy for our country to reform
for his record on gun regulation. but he didn't please gun advocates either. the nra gave him an "f" on his most recent report card. those two grades tell you a lot about the state of today's gun control debate. now after the mass murder of children at sandy hook elementary school the president is doing something different. he is taking a louder stand the that might endear him to at least one side of the debate. and next month he plans to introduce a gun control agenda and highlight it during the state of the union. meanwhile, california senator dianne feinstein's planning to introduce a bill had a would ban assault weapons as expected. conservative groups are already taking aim at it. on the drudge report, for example, one headline reads civil war senate to go for handguns. now, we were just talking about conservative rhetoric on a different civil war earlier. let's put war aside. let's put the militant language aside and let's talk about what is happening here, maggie. as you know, people follow this debate remember the original assault weapons ban which was itself considered very
the president of the nra will be on with david gregory on "meet the press" so a big weekend to see what the nra plan to do going forward. >> exactly. i'll be on the program, as well. thank you for the plug and that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." my colleague tamron hall has a look at when's next. >> hi, andrea. plan "b" basically stands for be real. and house republicans get ready to bring boehner plan to the floor for a vote. senator reid says it's got no chance of passing the senate. what's the possible solution? >>> democratic congressman pass quell and congresswoman swartz will join us. tomorrow, the nra holds that big news conference we have been waiting for. will the organization announce support of gun control legislation? that's the gut check question of the day. the only underarm treatment for low t. that's right, the one you apply to the underarm. axiron is not for use in women or anyone younger than 18. axiron can transfer to others through direct contact. women, especially those who are or who may become pregnant, and children should avoid contact where axiro
virginia who said this on "morning joe." >> i'm a proud nra member and always have been, but we need to sit down and move this dialogue to a sensible, reasonable approach. when you look at it, diane saying that basically assault weapons. i don't know anyone in the sporting or hunting arena that goes out with an assault rifle. i don't know anybody that needs 30 rounds in a clip to go hunting. >> polls conducted over the weekend for the washington post-abc news found that 54% of the public support stricter gun control laws now. 43% oppose it. 52% support banning semiautomatic weapons, which automatically reload every time a trigger is pulled. 44% oppose that, and 59% support banning high capacity ammunition clips, meaning those containing more than ten bullets. only 38% oppose that. three weeks after dianne feinstein surprised the senate in 1993 by passing her amendment to ban assault weapons, dennis mccarthy was shot and killed on a long island railroad commuter train when a mass murderer opened fire on that train. six were killed. 19 were wounded, including dennis mccarthy's son, kelly. car
. if we do all those things, it's easy to do. because 74% of nra members in a frank lunce poll said they support that no one can get a gun without a background check. >> when you talk like this and talk common sense gun safety, they don't challenge it as much. they immediately go somewhere else and say how about another approach because they don't want to take on the gun lobby. here's governor mcdonnell talking yesterday. he's open to the idea of arming school officials. i think that's a separate question. but he offers that as an alternative to gun control. let's listen. >> if people were armed, not just a police officer, but other school officials that were trained and chose to have a weapon, certainly there would have been an opportunity to stop aggressors coming into the schools. if a person like that was armed and trained, could they have stopped the carnage in the classroom? perhaps. >> okay. you know what a .38 special is. a retired cop or something walking around. that's what they're talking about. a school teacher doesn't know how to use a gun. pulls out your cap gun, revol
was, one, that the nra's arguments on self-defense, the need for more gun prosecutions are not credible. and second, that he can't do this on his own. if we're going to have serious change on gun policy, we need to have a national movement akin to the national movement to change public opinion on the iraq war. congress should bring the victims of newtown up to capitol hill who would be willing to call for serious changes in gun policy. i think shows like this show have to focus on the fact we have a new toub that occurs in this country every single day. 30 americans on average are killed every day from handgun violence. i think we need massive protests against irresponsible retailers like walmart who sell assault weapons and make them available to anyone -- pretty much anybody that asks. the question is not whether or not we'll have change. the question is whether or not progressives, independents and fair-minded republicans will form a national based movement that will really expose the need for this. one place we might start is asking congress if they believe in the s
... [ all ] i'm with scottrade. >>> in the wake of the connecticut school tragedy, the nra is calling for armed guards at every school. it's a policy the mayor of new jersey put in place and his defended his decision earlier today with thomas roberts. >> i think we have to close the loopholes on gun control. ta being said, our students need to be safe where they learned. what newtown showed us is existing security is not safe. the only way to protect our students right now is to have a police officer present in the school. >> but not everyone is on board with the nra's plan to make schools safer. joining me now is randy winegarten, the head of the american federation of teachers. thank you so much for joining us. >> it's my pleasure. >> we did d some research and the national school safety center says about 25% of schools with armed guards, when i go to a college football game, i often see numerous officers have weapons. in case of issues. why should that same protection that's at a college football game not be afforded to every single child that goes to public school in america? >> s
big following in florida with the nra i can see that. looking at their website you know, and everyone looks at florida as far as concealed weapon permits i think it has tripled over the last few years. i know the nra has over four million members. people want to bear arms. i upt stand that. people want to have concealed weapons now. when i say it is a problem not just the state of florida. i see that as a problem states are operating as individual countries. when you go to europe, you know, the size is around the same but you see each state size is a country in europe. we are operating like a country. each state if colorado wants marijuana then they goat et it. if florida wants to have guns. was i was growing up i noticed that the federal government stepped in more. the lawmakers were accountable. if you went too mar in yofar in state the federal government slapped you back a little bit. when president obama came into arizona he got a stern talking to. and he's a chief of the country and he has a finger in his face. we have to have the respect for our leaders. the best that we can do
larger. plus the nra plans a press conference exactly one week after the newtown massacre. >>> good morning. i'm maraschiacampo. >>> the dangerous snow and ice has claimed over half a dozen lives. the imarges from a 25-vehicle pile-up in des moines, iowa. the storm is dumping as much as a foot of snow in its path and driving rain and wind gusts in the 50-mile-per-hour range in others. air travelers across the country are facing major cancellations from san diego to new york with the worst cancellations coming out of chicago. our nbc meteorologist bill karins is tracking the storm for us. what's the latest? >> today was a good day to take off from work if you possibly could. in a lot of areas from the great lakes to the west coast, the wind is howling. the wind is the biggest threat out there. it's going to be this morning in mostly the big cities along i-95. right now winds 39 in philadelphia. 36 in scranton. you have to get in the 50-mile-per-hour range to get damaging winds. that will occur as the sun is coming up this morning around new york city, philadelphia, all of new jersey
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